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Dean and Mick spoilers
Topic Started: 19 Aug 2015, 11:31 (4,163 Views)
Christina
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As I said it's been nice to have a break from the Carter's, I know there are rapists that are free but I don't think Dean should be anywhere near a child even if that child is his own (Roya) or not (Amy)
If it could go back to be more focused on Linda and how she's feeling rather in scenes between Shirley, Dean and even Denise vs Mick and Linda, that would be a start.
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Daniel68
19 Aug 2015, 15:40
Dean should stay. Definitely.
Im torn if Dean should stay but in real life rapists are still walking around the streets having not been caught. I just hope Dean will get found out and maybe go to prison or get some help and come back as a better person.
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Gavtina
19 Aug 2015, 15:42
As I said it's been nice to have a break from the Carter's, I know there are rapists that are free but I don't think Dean should be anywhere near a child even if that child is his own (Roya) or not (Amy)
If it could go back to be more focused on Linda and how she's feeling rather in scenes between Shirley, Dean and even Denise vs Mick and Linda, that would be a start.
Maybe the are the scenes that are coming up between Mick and Dean. Because would the rest of the carters have to say what they think if Jade goes to live with Dean and then Mick can ruin things.
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DirtyDen
19 Aug 2015, 13:39
I disagree. There are thousands of family rapists that are still walking around and their families have to deal with it on a daily basis. Not every rapist gets caught and justice doesn't always prevail sadly. This storyline is a true reflection on a slice of life that many never encounter.
It doesn't matter if it's realistic or not. The bottom line is that stories have to progress. Dean's continued presence is currently stopping the story from progressing therefore he needs to go.
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I understand that Mick and Dean will need to interact again at some point but I hope it's not the same old repetitive *Dean walks into the Vic* *Mick yells "GIT AHT"* yadda yadda. I'm excited to see Mick, Linda etc. back at the forefront but they honestly need to move this storyline along and fast.

I.e. Dean needs to fuck off.
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19 Aug 2015, 15:52
DirtyDen
19 Aug 2015, 13:39
I disagree. There are thousands of family rapists that are still walking around and their families have to deal with it on a daily basis. Not every rapist gets caught and justice doesn't always prevail sadly. This storyline is a true reflection on a slice of life that many never encounter.
It doesn't matter if it's realistic or not. The bottom line is that stories have to progress. Dean's continued presence is currently stopping the story from progressing therefore he needs to go.
Of course it matters if it is realistic. EE took on the responsibility to show a rape scene that involved family members to draw attention and bring this to the public eye. Just like they did with Little Mo and the domestic abuse storyline.

The show has to be grounded in reality otherwise it won't work as the show that it is and the public admire and respect.
Edited by DirtyDen, 19 Aug 2015, 16:13.
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DirtyDen
19 Aug 2015, 16:12
The Local Butcher
19 Aug 2015, 15:52

Quoting limited to 2 levels deep
Of course it matters if it is realistic. EE took on the responsibility to show a rape scene that involved family members to draw attention and bring this to the public eye. Just like they did with Little Mo and the domestic abuse storyline.

The show has to be grounded in reality otherwise it won't work as the show that it is and the public admire and respect.
I want realism as much as the next guy but this is fiction and stories have to progress. I don't care if Dean ultimately leaves the square as a free man, ends up in a body bag or whether we do get the ideal Hollywood ending where ends up behind bars. I just want the story to progress already and not spent another year watching Mick hate Dean for obvious reasons, Shirley side with Dean for obvious reasons and ultimately nothing progressing in any meaningful way.
Edited by The Local Butcher, 19 Aug 2015, 16:23.
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Mmmmm whose to say the story won't progress? Unless of course you have inside information and have been to the storyline conferences?
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EastEnders is very choosy, though, about when it wants to be 'realistic'...
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DirtyDen
19 Aug 2015, 16:26
Mmmmm whose to say the story won't progress? Unless of course you have inside information and have been to the storyline conferences?
The article literally quotes Danny Dyer as saying:

"Nothing can ever really be sorted while Dean is knocking around though."

In other words nothing meaningful is going to happen any time soon.
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I'm interpreting that to mean that there will be no closure, which of course there isn't for the thousands of people effected by rape by a family member.

Naturally people want justice, however that's not true to life sadly.
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DirtyDen
19 Aug 2015, 16:46
I'm interpreting that to mean that there will be no closure, which of course there isn't for the thousands of people effected by rape by a family member.

Naturally people want justice, however that's not true to life sadly.
I agree
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19 Aug 2015, 16:42
DirtyDen
19 Aug 2015, 16:26
Mmmmm whose to say the story won't progress? Unless of course you have inside information and have been to the storyline conferences?
The article literally quotes Danny Dyer as saying:

"Nothing can ever really be sorted while Dean is knocking around though."

In other words nothing meaningful is going to happen any time soon.
That sort of hints that Dean will be going quite soon through so that it can be properly sorted.
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But hasn't Dean got a 6 month contract still to do?
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Dean is now irredeemable because he refuses to accept responsibility. Keeping him around for an extended period of time is a huge mistake on DTC's part.
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Sully
19 Aug 2015, 17:33
But hasn't Dean got a 6 month contract still to do?
Apparently but Danny Dyer said months ago something is happening at Christmas. So I wouldn't be surprissed if Dean does exit at Christmas or maybe New Years day.
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DirtyDen
19 Aug 2015, 16:46
I'm interpreting that to mean that there will be no closure, which of course there isn't for the thousands of people effected by rape by a family member.

Naturally people want justice, however that's not true to life sadly.
Some viewers desperately want justice and I agree that it wouldn't be true to life. However whilst real life may never provide closure stories by their very nature have to progress and eventually end. Stagnation is not an option. We get too much of that in Eastenders as it is.
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We all know it is realistic that Dean wouldn't go to prison. It would have been ridiculous and sending out a completely wrong message to viewers. Linda reported the rape 4 months after it happened and that would lower the already tiny chances of a conviction. I'm fine with that.

What I'm not fine with is how this is no longer a story exploring how a woman copes with being raped. I don't expect Linda to be defined by her ordeal, but from Christmas onwards, this story was about Shirley and the Mick and Dean rivalry. As the months went on, the rape, whilst initially portrayed in a very honest way, was clearly a device for the above to happen. So my issue is that in all these months where Dean has struggled to bond with his daughter or has been hosting hairdressing competitions or has been sad because he can't go public with Roxy, where has been the counter argument? Where has been Linda's fear of having him living across the road? We have had zero insight into her character for many months now, and that is essential if they are insisting on continuing this story. So where are the audience being positioned here? To me, it feels very clear that we are meant to be seeing Dean as a victim of sorts and that is damaging. If I was a victim of sexual assault and I was seeing a victim being shown as basically being "over it" less than a year later and the rapist having a nice little life, I would be offended. I want EastEnders to be realistic to an extent, but surely just as important as this is a sense of morality?

This just feels like they are whitewashing the rape away until Matt eventually leaves, and then he will get his comeuppance. That is a damaging representation. I'm all for pushing boundaries and doing something controversial, but this is neither of those things. Bar Linda's initial struggle to come to terms with what has happened, this plot has been insensitive and ill-thought out.
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19 Aug 2015, 18:11
We all know it is realistic that Dean wouldn't go to prison. It would have been ridiculous and sending out a completely wrong message to viewers. Linda reported the rape 4 months after it happened and that would lower the already tiny chances of a conviction. I'm fine with that.

What I'm not fine with is how this is no longer a story exploring how a woman copes with being raped. I don't expect Linda to be defined by her ordeal, but from Christmas onwards, this story was about Shirley and the Mick and Dean rivalry. As the months went on, the rape, whilst initially portrayed in a very honest way, was clearly a device for the above to happen. So my issue is that in all these months where Dean has struggled to bond with his daughter or has been hosting hairdressing competitions or has been sad because he can't go public with Roxy, where has been the counter argument? Where has been Linda's fear of having him living across the road? We have had zero insight into her character for many months now, and that is essential if they are insisting on continuing this story. So where are the audience being positioned here? To me, it feels very clear that we are meant to be seeing Dean as a victim of sorts and that is damaging. If I was a victim of sexual assault and I was seeing a victim being shown as basically being "over it" less than a year later and the rapist having a nice little life, I would be offended. I want EastEnders to be realistic to an extent, but surely just as important as this is a sense of morality?

This just feels like they are whitewashing the rape away until Matt eventually leaves, and then he will get his comeuppance. That is a damaging representation. I'm all for pushing boundaries and doing something controversial, but this is neither of those things. Bar Linda's initial struggle to come to terms with what has happened, this plot has been insensitive and ill-thought out.
I think Danny' s 'exhaustion' and general break as meant Linda has barely appeared since she gave birth and I don't think she had one scene when Dean has appeared as well. Before that Dean was away till Stan's funeral.
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Under DTC I have given up on realism and justice. He is introducing a moral order that is rooted in Greek tragedy and vigilante justice (at best).
Let's just say that I am sceptical about his experiment but also curious where it will lead (mass murder? Serial rapists?). It will be interesting to see where the line is drawn.
Edited by Desdemona, 19 Aug 2015, 19:25.
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