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| Tweet Topic Started: 3 Sep 2015, 17:15 (5,505 Views) | |
| WalfordFanatic | 5 Sep 2015, 17:46 Post #21 |
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I'm so excited with the fact Sarah Phelps has written the Sharon and Kathy reunion, them coming face-to-face for the first time in 20 years! The rest of the week does look very exciting I have to say; with Max's trial and Lee's depression storyline picking up pace. I'm intrigued as to which direction they are going with Ronnie though, her with Vincent does not interest me at the moment. |
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| Christina | 5 Sep 2015, 22:55 Post #22 |
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Yep Sarah Phelps is the perfect person to write the Kathy/Sharon reunion. In fact she's the only person I would have wanted to do it. It's so close now! |
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| Mr Branning | 6 Sep 2015, 04:58 Post #23 |
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This is absolutely ludicrous - so Lauren is happy for her dad (who she knows is innocent) to go through a trial thinking he may be sentenced to life imprisonment, seemingly forgives the Beales for letting him rot in jail for these past few months and then to top it all, not only allows Jane at the birth of her baby but allows her to hold him?! She must really hate her dad... |
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| eastend90 | 6 Sep 2015, 09:32 Post #24 |
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Christopher Reason has also Written Friday 18th September episode. |
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| MrJames | 6 Sep 2015, 10:18 Post #25 |
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I think she intends to give evidence at court but ends up in labour. |
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| Mr Branning | 6 Sep 2015, 12:41 Post #26 |
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But the picture shows Jane happily holding the baby at Lauren's bedside, plus the spoilers indicate Lauren decides to wait until the trial's over before deciding what to do. I'd have to be giving birth to a blowfish to stop me from preventing my innocent dad from going to prison. |
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| Sey | 6 Sep 2015, 12:51 Post #27 |
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It is absolutely beyond fucking ludicrous. It's a shame crap like this is still going on when the core show is really improving. |
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| Mrs Peel | 6 Sep 2015, 13:33 Post #28 |
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Well, it's obvious now that Max will be found guilty and sentenced. One daughter thinks he killed Lucy, with the core of her anger directed at him because he paid more attention to her older sister than to her; the other daughter knows damned well he's innocent. Moreover, she knows who the real killer is. In the past, both Lauren and Abi have treated Max abysmally. Has he always been a good dad? No, but he's never beaten them, he's made sure they've never wanted for anything, and he loves the bones of them. He even forgave Lauren for trying to kill him. They, in turn, believed Tanya's lies about Max coercing her into having an affair with him when she was married to Greg, and demanded that he exile himself from Walford. Max left. I believe in unconditional love that parents have for children, but as his children have shown him that their "love" for him comes only when Max does and acts as they decree whilst giving nothing in return, when Max is eventually freed, I hope he sues and gets a barrel-full of dosh for wrongful arrest and imprisonment and that he cuts those two dry in the process. I also found the presence of Jane at Lauren's bedside disturbing, especially since it was Lauren who set the chain of events in motion resulting in the Beales discovering that Lucy's killing had taken place in their home, effected by one family member and her body disposed of by another. How Lauren can even look at Jane, let alone sanction her being there is beyond belief. And, finally, the "secrecy" surrounding various big Square secrets is beyond a joke now. Phil "discovering" that Bobby killed Lucy? Phil is many things, but he is not a killer, and he would abhor seeing an innocent man get sent to prison for something he didn't do. The people now in on Bobby's little secret, besides his family, number Liam (conveniently sent away), Sharon, and now Phil. I wonder if Liam's told Ricky and Ricky's mentioned it to Bianca? How much longer is this going on? Equally as turgid is Carl White's death, and Carl keeps being mentioned more and more, which can only mean one thing - his psychopathic killer, Roxy, Phil, Shirley, Sharon, Charlie ... and now Vincent's sussed. My guess is that Ronnie will sleep with Vincent and then demand he kill Dean. He'll refuse, and she'll accidentally kill Dean, then set it up to look as though Vincent did, as he's sussed she killed Carl. There's little of Phil's empire left that would attract Vincent as blackmail to keep his mouth shut. Time for Ronnie - and Dean and Sonia and Tina and Babe (another psychopath) - to go. |
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| MrJames | 6 Sep 2015, 14:32 Post #29 |
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I highly suspect that Lauren will have a few choice words for Jane before she goes into labour. But Jane is still step-grandmother to the new baby and as Lauren is a compassionate person, I really can't envisage her despising Jane in the way that we all think that she should. After all, Lauren doesn't want to tell the police that Bobby killed Lucy at all - that much was made clear back in February when she and Peter left for New Zealand. The one reason that she would reveal the truth is to prevent her dad from going to prison, and she does intend on doing that - hence why she's back in the country in the first place. Lauren goes to tell the truth, goes into labour, stresses to Abi that Max didn't do it, warns Jane that she will reveal the truth in the eventuality that Max is found guilty (because she's still in a hospital bed at the point) and Jane stresses that she has given Max an alibi. I think Max will be found not guilty and will leave for New Zealand with Lauren and the new baby and all will be resolved... for now. For the sake of drama, that all works for me. Edited by MrJames, 6 Sep 2015, 14:34.
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| Mr Branning | 6 Sep 2015, 14:58 Post #30 |
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But regardless of all that, her dad has been through the most horrific ordeal - he's spent months in prison for a crime he knows he didn't commit, he has been shunned by his family and now he has to endure a trial which everyone is telling him cannot possibly go in his favour. I can't believe anyone who had the slightest compassion for their father would not want to do everything they could to a) get him out of that situation and b) distance themselves as much as possible from the people who put him there. Lauren is doing neither. I agree that Max will probably be found not guilty because to leave him rotting in prison any longer would destroy too many characters. Despite this, the fact that the Beales, Sharon, Liam and Lauren are all willing to let an innocent man go through this ordeal is a big ask from the show, particularly as Jane is the only one who has (recently) shown any conflict/guilt over this. |
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| MrJames | 6 Sep 2015, 15:56 Post #31 |
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But that's because, rightly or wrongly, Lauren feels some shred of compassion for Jane. In Lauren's ideal world neither her dad nor the Beales would get sent down for this. But if it comes to it, Lauren makes it clear that she must prioritise her dad. He may have had a difficult few months, but I think Lauren is thinking more about the long-term than the short-term. Again, this is about what Lauren deems to be the right thing to do - she has loyalties with the Beales as well as her own family. It's very easy us for us to decide what she should do but nevertheless, it's obvious that she feels conflicted and I think she has a sound enough reason to feel so. Let's also not forget that Lauren could get prosecuted herself as she has witheld information from a murder investigation for seven months. Lauren's matured a lot recently but her default setting has always been to look after herself. Edited by MrJames, 6 Sep 2015, 16:00.
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| Ross | 6 Sep 2015, 16:19 Post #32 |
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You're totally right, MrJames. Max is not going to go down for this - he'll get a not guilty verdict, for sure. |
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| Mr Branning | 6 Sep 2015, 16:30 Post #33 |
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Lauren's only loyalty really is to Peter - and given that he's washed his hands of Ian and Jane, I still don't get why she'd prioritise them over her own father. I'll be interested to hear her reasons for staying away this long. Whatever conflicts and loyalties she has, Max is her father, her child's grandfather, and Lauren's always been a daddy's girl. Given we've seen her grow up on the show, her conflict just isn't compelling enough to leave her own father in this horrific situation when she could so easily save him. Speaking objectively, Lauren wouldn't have to do very much to get the police sniffing in the Beales' direction. Jane is on the verge of a breakdown, Ian is shifty and Bobby would probably be all too happy to reveal he hit his sister on Good Friday but he "didn't mean to". Lauren wouldn't have to mention Peter's confession. In fact, she could probably just mention her suspicions to Carol and then fly back to New Zealand. As soon as the police shine the slightest light on the Beales, their whole house of cards will begin to unravel. |
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| Jade | 6 Sep 2015, 16:36 Post #34 |
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No airline would accept Lauren in that later stage of pregnancy first of all. Peter is not cruel enough to allow her to fly on her own. And a weakened Lauren who has given birth to her first child (generally the hardest) has to fly back so Peter can meet his child. Peter could easily stay anywhere in London if he doesn't want to stay with the Beales and fly to her. Then when she is a little recovered fly back. Never been to New Zealand but I have been to Australia its not a short flight and its tiring and you need to change somewhere usually in the far east. I cant imagine doing it heavily pregnant or just after the birth especially of your first child. That's madness. AS for Jane holding her hand....hmm. There is NO way she would protect Bobby and let her dad face a life sentence she literally isn't that evil nor would it be in character. Edited by Jade, 6 Sep 2015, 16:37.
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| Sey | 6 Sep 2015, 18:10 Post #35 |
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Exactly. It's turning a good plot into farcical parody. We all laughed when Bobby was revealed as the killer but DTC managed to make us eat our words the night after with one of the rawest and most emotionally true episodes ever. I've really tried to get behind the plot ever since but they are dancing on a thin line here. It's bad enough that Sharon randomly decided to stay quiet, it's like she could smell the block storytelling coming. |
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| TellyAddict | 6 Sep 2015, 18:19 Post #36 |
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Our Shazza is incredibly genre savvy. It's awfully considerate of her to completely give up on tracking down her birth father just as he's about to appear on the scene. |
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| Matt | 6 Sep 2015, 19:30 Post #37 |
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Totally agree with this. 2015 is a very mixed year for me. There are many single episodes which have been simply brilliant. But, overall, the storylining (and, indeed, the block storytelling) ends up feeling repetitive or needlessly drawn out to the point it's no longer character based. I know that generally DTC understands the characters well, but he reminds me of an over-excited schoolboy getting carried away and over-egging the pudding. |
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| Mrs Peel | 6 Sep 2015, 20:06 Post #38 |
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You may be surprised, Mr James. |
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| Mrs Peel | 6 Sep 2015, 20:30 Post #39 |
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I agree with this assessment. It's damned sight better than anything under Kirkwood or Newman, but it's still inconsistent, and this is what ITV and Emmerdale are taking advantage of. The block storylining is generally what's killing the show, and DTC has fallen prey to one of Newman's biggest loser traits - showing the same scene over and over on a different day in a different setting. Anyone remember Michael Moon and Janine having the selfsame argument over and over about Scarlett? How many times have Roxy and Ronnie had the same argument, Roxy realising how obsessed Ronnie is with her to the point of wanting to run her life, Roxy leaves, then comes back to her sisTAH/? And there are too many twists and turns to a storyline to the extent that it ceases to be intriguing and simply loses momentum. I cannot believe that characters of such high moral fibre as Sharon and Liam would bow to pressure from Ian and allow an innocent man to be imprisoned for a crime he didn't commit just to protect a spoiled, entitled kid, who knew very well what he was doing and didn't really care. Sharon has harboured murderers before - she lost her moral fibre when she protected Dennis, who'd killed Jack Dalton. She's protecting Ronnie now, and she doesn't owe Ronnie the skin off her arse considering Ronnie didn't think twice about demanding Phil take Sharon's business to satisfy Vincent's blackmailing. Now she's willing to allow Max Branning to go to prison for a murder he didn't commit? That isn't Sharon. As for Liam, Max is his great-uncle, as is Ian, but neither man has shown much of an interest in the kid before. Still, as he acknowledged,he was brought up to know right from wrong. Soon Phil's going to find out about Bobby. Where is this going to end? My guess is that Max will go to prison for this crime, because the actor is off for a year's sabbatical, which means another twist in the tale, probably coming from Lauren; and that means the Bobby storyline will run winding and weaving for yet another year. As for secrets, there's no bigger secret than Carl White's murder. Who knows about that? Ronnie (who did it), Roxy, Phil, Sharon, Shirley, Charlie and Vincent, who didn't need to be told. My guess there is that Ronnie will sleep with Vincent and try to convince him to kill Dean. He'll refuse to do that, and she'll do the deed, but arrange for the blame to be pinned on him, as well as Carl's death. Carl's been mentioned quite a lot and by Vincent, and Ronnie always manages to cack her knickers when this happens, so we'll either have another innocent man serving time or another corpse. Both Dean's and Vincent's deaths have been heavily foresshadowed in dialogue, but the number of murderers basking about free is getting beyond ridiculous. |
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| Mrs Peel | 6 Sep 2015, 20:36 Post #40 |
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Travelling during Third Trimester of Pregnancy Lauren could very well travel whilst heavily pregnant. Some airlines allow this, but most want a letter from her doctor confirming that she can fly, for international flights. Most likely, she would have got this. Some airlines may not allow women in their last trimester to fly, but there are many who do. It would not have been impossible for Lauren to return to the UK at this time. |
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