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| Ronnie - is she past her sell by date? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 8 Sep 2015, 16:32 (7,038 Views) | |
| Jade | 9 Sep 2015, 08:35 Post #41 |
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I do wonder how relevant that is though. Dot hasn't really been around as she has been in jail and this is his son. Most parents don't want to leave their children even over their own grandmothers as your the parent. Leaving your child v keeping the great grandmother in the frame is not really a tough choice. I can totally why he wouldn't want to leave him with Ronnie. I do hope that Charlie gets away with Matthew. |
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| Desdemona | 9 Sep 2015, 10:05 Post #42 |
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I'd go for the scenario of Ronnie and Roxy as an alternative family raising Amy and Matthew together. It would be nice to keep the original sibling couple intact albeit on a more equal footing while allowing both characters the odd romance and sexual fling with a male love interest (preferably not the same guy, that is a very worn out formula) Edited by Desdemona, 9 Sep 2015, 10:06.
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| SamWomackFan1 | 9 Sep 2015, 12:23 Post #43 |
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Having being a fan of Ronnie since day 1 i do think the writers have completely ruined her. She was one of the best characters on the show. Since the swap they ruined her from then they took it too far. Then her killing Carl and trying to turn her into a villain which didnt work at all and that was just dropped.Plus giving her another baby but not really showing her with Matthew i think is completely out of character. Ronnie would be so obsessive of the baby and shes just passing the baby to everyone else not what Ronnie would do. I somehow don't think they can ever get the old Ronnie back too much has happened and its just the same thing over and over she argues with Roxy they make up and then it happens again. Im probably one of the biggest Ronnie fans so for me to say i think the New years ep would have been sensational to leave on is saying something. I think Samantha Womack is such a talented actress who deserves so much more than the crap they have been given her. She doesn't get enough credit at all. However some of the comments on here are so so rude and disrespectful. Slate Ronnie all you want but when it comes to Sams looks that is too far and is disgusting. She is absolutely gorgeous inside and out. She has a pure heart of gold so generous and caring. I just hate it seeing people calling her an alien face and had too much botox and stuff its awful. |
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| Mrs Peel | 9 Sep 2015, 12:28 Post #44 |
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Actually, he was putting the hold-all with Phil's money in the boot when she killed him. As Sharon said, "everyone" wants to blackmail Ronnie, and "everyone" seems to want to sexually abuse her. She killed a man and crushed his body. That doesn't empower her, and anything she does now doesn't either. She shat herself and ran after killing Carl, leaving Phil to clean up a massive mess. She cut and run when he discovered her gun, again, leaving the item in his house. And she chose deportation over imprisonment in Ibiza when she assaulted an off-duty policeman whose intentions she totally misunderstood. All of that makes her a massive coward. She isn't some superwoman who challenges the accepted role dynamic of women in soaps. She is a bully, and as everyone knows, bullies are cowards. People harp on about how these so-called strong women are man-dependent, and so is Ronnie. She now needs a man to do her dirty work, and she'll do anything, including sleep with a fool, to accomplish this and then leave him neck-deep in shit. You talk the talk, you walk the walk, and Ronnie doesn't. |
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| Mrs Peel | 9 Sep 2015, 12:31 Post #45 |
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Abuse victims become abusers. Phil Mitchell was raised in an environment where he was beaten; he has raised his hand against all of his wives and also his son. His father was also abused in this manner. I could easily imagine Ronnie doing that to Roxy. |
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| Mrs Peel | 9 Sep 2015, 12:35 Post #46 |
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The actress's performance suffers because she uses the show as a financial buffer in between other projects. And she could be bored with the character. She either needs to commit to the show fully or go. Ronnie is a psychopath. Her father was a psychopath, and it was implied that her grandfather was one also. |
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| SamWomackFan1 | 9 Sep 2015, 13:13 Post #47 |
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That is so disgusting to even think of that. Its one thing Ronnie wouldn't do and if they ever did suggest it which i highly doubt they ever would. Sam would never agree to it not at all and neither would Rita. Such a sick thought to have! As for the other comment regarding Carl white. She slammed the boot down on him because he was about to sexually assault her not just putting money in the boot. |
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| Desdemona | 9 Sep 2015, 13:32 Post #48 |
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You have a point. Discussions about Ronnie are often tainted by a misogynistic tone (the local rapist gets more sympathy than the survivor of sexual abuse) that rubs off on Sam Womack. Quite disturbing and disappointing. |
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| luisgarcia | 9 Sep 2015, 14:43 Post #49 |
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Pfft. Obviously I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I make as many apologies for referring to Ronnie as alien-faced as I do for calling Ian Beale heavily pregnant, or having noted Phil's resemblance to a squashed overripe tomato for years before Linda came out with a similar remark; i.e. none. It is not pleasant, but sexist? Just no. I couldn't give a flying squirrel's botty about Carl White, meself. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Of course it's not a morally correct attitude to have, but boo bleeding hoo, he was a soap villain in a daft storyline. I saw what he did to Ronnie as attempted rape. As for Ron, I actually have great sympathy and empathy for a fair part of what the character has suffered, and have some understanding of what she has become (not that I could or would excuse many of her actions.) However, for me, the character is now spent. I wouldn't miss Roxy either.[edit_reason]typo[/edit_reason] Edited by luisgarcia, 9 Sep 2015, 14:48.
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| Slater11 | 9 Sep 2015, 15:24 Post #50 |
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I agree. Slating Sam's looks is not on, just like some people whether here or on social media were rightly criticised for slating how Letitia Dean looks, there were some nasty remarks regarding both and it's not acceptable. |
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| SamWomackFan1 | 9 Sep 2015, 15:26 Post #51 |
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Totally agree. Its not fair at all. I would hate if i came on to social media and i was getting stuff said about how i look. Disrespectful isnt it. |
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| Ross | 9 Sep 2015, 15:41 Post #52 |
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I do not agree with the idea that "abuse victims become abusers" at all. That's a vile generalisation and rather offensive to people that have suffered some form of abuse. But, I'm sorry, when Carl White put that bag in the boot, he was not about to hurt Ronnie - that much is clear. If Ronnie had killed Carl with the champagne bottle the night before, it would have been self-defence. The way she did kill him was in cold blood.
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| Jade | 9 Sep 2015, 15:47 Post #53 |
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I can not speak for Mrs Peel. But I will clarify one thing. Most people abused DO NOT become abusers. However must abusers HAVE been abused. Statistics can be a confusing thing. So its not the same thing. So if you have been abused your more likely to be an abuser? Hell no. But if you are an abuser more than likely you have been abused. See the difference. Studies have proved it time and time again. Google it. Why in mitigation in any sort of serious crime they ask about abuse in their background. As for looks I was talking about the amount of work Gillian T had. I was not knocking her and said as long as it doesn't affect her work why not? But that she looked younger than Ian and Kathy was always more a dowdy but pretty naturally type. I was not saying she looked bad quite the opposite! I was told off for even mentioning by the same group who do it on here and yet nobody pulls them up. Like peroxide picki. I didn't break the rules by what I said about Gillian yet I was told off by people who actually were. I even defended someone doing it to a character whom I do not like Shirley as Linda Henry does not deserve such comments. So I totally agree on that. Edited by Jade, 9 Sep 2015, 15:49.
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| SamWomackFan1 | 9 Sep 2015, 15:47 Post #54 |
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He was about to hurt her. Sam even said this herself thats why she screamed out ' you bastard'. It may not looked like it too some people but thats the way it was meant to be portrayed. |
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| Jade | 9 Sep 2015, 16:00 Post #55 |
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As for sexism it is on here often. People saying women who kill or shoot men are strong. Women who treated men like shit should be championed. Reverse the sexes see who thinks if Phil shot Shirley they would consider him strong for such an act. Who would laugh had it been Alfie punching Kat in the face then the other way round? I akin sexism to any other form of bigotry like racism, homophobia etc. I am a humanist I care for human rights not one selected class of people.
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Your approval is neither desired nor required. Julia Smith "We decided to go for a realistic, fairly outspoken type of drama which could encompass stories about homosexuality, rape, unemployment, racial prejudice, etc., in a believable context. Above all, we wanted realism". | |
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| alisonx | 9 Sep 2015, 16:15 Post #56 |
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Clearly, that much is not clear. I, and many others, believe he was about to rape Ronnie. So whilst you and others may disagree, it is probably best to say that it is open to viewer interpretation. However, if you put yourself in Ronnie's shoes; Carl had attempted to rape her the previous night, he also attempted to do so before he apparently 'stopped to put the money in the boots and was about to drive off' - how was Ronnie to know that? In the heat of the moment, and given her history of sexual abuse, it is of my opinion that she panicked and took the only opportunity to get out safely. I 100% think the actual killing was in self defence. |
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| SamWomackFan1 | 9 Sep 2015, 16:18 Post #57 |
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100% agree with this! I think the same. It was in self defence. |
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| Ross | 9 Sep 2015, 16:35 Post #58 |
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100% not, I'm afraid. Carl was about to take that car and leave with Phil's money. Ronnie, being the psycopath she is, could not help herself. Her screaming of "bastard" just shows that her anger reached boiling point in that moment, not that she was protecting herself. |
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| SamWomackFan1 | 9 Sep 2015, 16:38 Post #59 |
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Ok your view is completely different to mine and many others. However it was meant to be portrayed as if he was going to rape her. I saw that and saw that she was defending herself. |
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| Ross | 9 Sep 2015, 16:39 Post #60 |
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I also know full well that statistics show the correlation of abusers being victims of abuse themselves. But stating, as a fact, that "abuse victims become abusers" - without expanding the point or explaining that it's a huge generalisation - is wrong. I feel quite offended by that comment and I'm sure a good few others do too. |
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