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| Kathy: The Good, The Bad and the Ugly | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 14 Sep 2015, 19:46 (1,817 Views) | |
| Sey | 14 Sep 2015, 19:46 Post #1 |
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Amidst all the Kathy and Gavin shenanigans I thought it'd be a good idea to have a separate thread discussing what we like and dislike about the return in an honest, open and a friendly way. We may not all agree on the return or the overarching plot surrounding it but I'm sure we can all agree there is a definite buzz at the moment which hasn't been felt since the 30th. The Good
The Bad
The Ugly This section is pretty much looking at retcons/events that don't add up.
That's it for now. I feel I have forgotten a few so I will be sure to add more later. Share your thoughts everyone!
Edited by Sey, 14 Sep 2015, 19:53.
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| McFudd | 14 Sep 2015, 19:51 Post #2 |
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This is brilliant and I love it. Will post my thoughts tonight as I'm doing some errands at the moment. When did Gillian say that she wants Kathy to be the next Ronnie? Can someone send me the article?
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| MrSunshine | 14 Sep 2015, 19:55 Post #3 |
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I agree with absolutely everything EXCEPT I don't think Gillian's a bad actress. I think she's been very good from what we've seen so far and I already prefer Kathy to Sharon despite the fact that I've only known Kathy from watching past episodes and have seen Sharon in action. |
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| Jade | 14 Sep 2015, 20:45 Post #4 |
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Sey exactly my thoughts nuff said.[http://metro.co.uk/2015/09/04/eastenders-spoilers-12-thrilling-plot-twists-to-keep-an-eye-out-for-in-walford-this-autumn-5372560/ Read the pink box at the bottom quote from Gillian "I want more fights. I want to be another Ronnie." So NOT Kathy. Edited by Jade, 14 Sep 2015, 20:47.
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Your approval is neither desired nor required. Julia Smith "We decided to go for a realistic, fairly outspoken type of drama which could encompass stories about homosexuality, rape, unemployment, racial prejudice, etc., in a believable context. Above all, we wanted realism". | |
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| Shamelessness | 14 Sep 2015, 20:52 Post #5 |
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I'm looking forward to a Kathy and Martin scene. She's his godmother. I think people's exception to Ben as a character was because Kathy was killed off for Charlie Jones. If the actor had been decent and not so punchable, I think her "death" would've been more palatable. I agree that Phil knowing for 3 years is a disappointment. It doesn't add up with hat he "found out" in Live Week. The only time I've ever heard references to Kathy and Gavin visiting Angie is on here. I don't remember it being mentioned. I'd be interested to see exactly when it was said because I'm not convinced it's true. |
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| Professor Plum | 14 Sep 2015, 23:22 Post #6 |
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I want Kathy to become the next Pat. We so need a "go-to" character. I dont want her becoming a Ronnie. That character has a shelf life. We want longevity. on a side note. I thought when Ian returned with Ben, he said he had seen the body?? |
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| Mrs Peel | 14 Sep 2015, 23:36 Post #7 |
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I don't remember this at all. Kathy and Gavin got together in 2000. Angie died in the Spring of 2002, from cirrhosis of the liver, acute alcoholism. Sharon went home to nurse her in her final months. Angie was ill for a couple of years before that, acting erratically and needing Sharon's care and attention, although she was also involved with the forgettable Ross at that time. So if Kathy and Gavin visited Angie around this time, they would have found a very ill woman. Sharon would surely have referenced this. The trip I do remember is the trip to South Africa shortly after Lisa left Mark to live with Phil, taking Louise. Peggy, Phil, Lisa and Louise travelled to South Africa so Ben could be introduced to his younger sister. This would have been in early 2002, possibly when Sharon was in Florida tending Angie in her last days. On another note, I don't like Taylforth's overt desire for Kathy to be more like Ronnie. Bad, bad, bad. She and Bonnie Langford have put out some strange sayings/ideas since joining - Taylforth obliquely hinging/suggesting an affair with Phil, Langford going on about a cougar affair with Martin Fowler. I guess you have to remember that a lot of time actors don't always get what they want. Letitia Dean always wanted Sharon and Shirley to be best friends, and Ross Kemp always wanted more exploration of Grant as a young single father trying to cope, and they wanted to rush his character right into another relationship. There are enough psychopaths wafting around Walford now without Kathy smacking her way around the Square. |
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| Planck | 16 Sep 2015, 15:43 Post #8 |
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With regard to your ugly section, specifically the bit about Kathy asking Ian to come to South Africa, judging by last nights episode it looked like Kathy didn't know she was about to fake her death. |
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| Jamie Fowler | 16 Sep 2015, 15:56 Post #9 |
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I think Ian took the kids to see Kathy in South Africa in 2004-ish time? They were gone for about a month and then Lucy and Peter came back from South Africa with Melissa Suffield and Thomas Law's heads? |
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| Mrs Peel | 16 Sep 2015, 16:11 Post #10 |
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Ian took the kids to visit there in 2004ish. A few years before that Phil, Lisa, Peggy and Louise visited shortly after Lisa brought Louise to live with the Mitchells, so Ben could meet his younger sister. |
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| Jamie Fowler | 16 Sep 2015, 16:15 Post #11 |
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I remember Ian was meant to be going again when Kathy "died", I think he may have been planning to take Jane (and the kids) so they could meet I really miss Pat now. She still has so many strong connections. She could've been a big part of Who Killed Lucy? |
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| Mr Branning | 16 Sep 2015, 16:54 Post #12 |
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I can only imagine where Pat would have slotted into Kathy's return story. I can feel a Les "AAAAAAAAAH!" coming on... |
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| Mrs Peel | 16 Sep 2015, 17:08 Post #13 |
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Ian was going on his own. He never took Jane anywhere. I remember she got pretty put out when he booked one ticket, as he was relying on her to remain at home and mind the kids and the businesses. Jane was pretty much in skivvy mode then. He also buggered off on his own to celebrate Sharon's 40th in the States. |
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